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DP Trading Room: Market Sell-Off

The market sell-off continued in earnest after a brief respite on Friday. Uncertainty of geopolitical tensions and tariff talk has spooked the market and given the weakness of mega-cap stocks, we are likely to see more downside before a snapback rally.

Carl was off today so Erin had the controls! She started off the trading room with a review of the DP Signal Tables to get a sense of market strength and weakness. She then analyzed indicator charts on the SPY and finished with a look at key areas of the market: Bitcoin, Dollar, Gold, Gold Miners, Yields, Bonds and Crude Oil.

After the market review Erin took a look at the Magnificent Seven daily and weekly charts. Not one of them were showing strength. Most had lost key support levels and were heading lower.

Erin then walked us through sector rotation. It is clear that the defensive sectors of the market are leading the way with the exception of Utilities which have been in a declining trend. Erin dove into the Energy sector, looking under the hood to determine if the current rally will continue.

She finished the trading room with a review of viewer symbol requests that included: PAYC, VLO and LLY among others.

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Transform Your Investing Strategy: Uncover the 3 Game-Changing Rules

“The trend is your friend, until the end when it bends.”

How often have you heard this adage? More importantly, how often do you follow it?

Chasing stocks, whether it’s one that was texted to you as the next high-flying AI stock, a popular meme stock, or the next hot IPO, can be tempting. If you’re lucky, the price moves in your favor, you get elated, and you throw one heck of a party. Alas, the story doesn’t always end this way. The stock market can catch you off guard. It gives you several opportunities, but also unexpectedly robs them from you. This is especially true during an overextended market.

Any negative news headlines make investors nervous, leading them to make irrational decisions. To avoid falling into the trap of buying and selling stocks at the wrong time, take the smart approach and set some basic rules to follow.

Rule 1: Determine the Market’s Long-term Trend

You want to trade in the direction of the long-term trend—buy when the trend is up and sell when it is down. Buying stocks when the overall trend is declining can be like catching a falling knife, while selling stocks when the trend is rising could mean missing sizable moves. To determine the overall direction of the stock market’s long-term trend, look at a chart of a benchmark index, such as the S&P 500 ($SPX), that covers at least one year.

We’ll examine the weekly chart of the S&P 500 (see below). Overall, the index has trended higher for the last five years, but there have been pullbacks, some longer and more severe than others (pink shaded areas). The index is going through a pullback now, although we won’t know the magnitude of it until it’s over.

FIGURE 1. WEEKLY CHART OF THE S&P 500. Overall, the trend in the benchmark has been bullish, although there have been periods of declines and pullbacks. The index is going through a decline.Chart source: StockCharts.com. For educational purposes.

From January 2022 to October 2022, the S&P 500 declined over 20%. Many Wall Street analysts expected the decline to continue, but the S&P 500 recovered, ending 2023 with a 26.3% gain and 2024 with a 23.31% gain. There were a few minor pullbacks along the way, some more pronounced than others (end of 2023 and July to August 2024).

Nobody knows what the market will do, but, when you see a pullback forming—and it looks like one is forming—don’t plan on opening long positions. If you’re not convinced the market is pulling back, view a daily chart of the S&P 500 to see if it aligns with the weekly chart’s trend. If both indicate a downtrend or the two don’t align, you need to dig deeper.

Rule 2: Is Market Breadth Expanding or Contracting?

Market breadth is an effective method to uncover the percentage of stocks participating in the uptrend. The Bullish Percent Index (BPI) is one of several breadth indicators available in StockCharts and is available for indexes, sectors, and industry groups.

The chart below displays the BPI for the S&P 500 in the upper panel ($BPSPX) against the daily chart of the S&P 500 in the lower panel. When the BPI is above 50%, it indicates the bulls have an edge. When it’s below 50%, the bears have an edge.

FIGURE 2. DAILY CHART OF S&P 500 BULLISH PERCENT INDEX VS. S&P 500. Note the uptrends in the S&P 500 coincide with a BPI greater than 50. The downtrend in the S&P 500 coincides with an S&P 500 BPI of less than 50.Chart source: StockCharts.com. For educational purposes.

In the last year, besides the pullback periods in the S&P 500, the bulls have had the upper hand. If you wanted to invest in an S&P 500 stock when the bulls were in control, your first task is to find one that aligns with the bullish move.

Rule 3: Buy on Up Days, Sell on Down Days

Let’s focus on the period between August 9, 2024, and December 18, 2024, to coincide with the period when the BPI was greater than 50 and examine a hollow candlestick chart of Apple, Inc. (AAPL), one of the top cap-weighted stocks in the S&P 500.

FIGURE 3. DAILY CHART OF APPLE STOCK. From August 9 to December 18, 2024, which coincides with the S&P 500 BPI > 50, the stock price trended higher, displaying a series of hollow green candles at the front and tail end of the period.Chart source: StockCharts.com. For educational purposes.

Hollow candlestick charts are visually interesting and have the advantage of identifying a trend quickly. The upward movement began a few days before August 9, when there was a significant gap down in AAPL’s price. Even though it was a down day, the bar was hollow, which means the close was higher than the open.

Looking at all three charts, August 9 presented an opportune buy signal. It aligned with the bullish BPI and the long-term trend in the weekly and daily charts.

If you had hypothetically opened a long position, you could have exited your position on December 18, when the BPI turned bearish and made a decent return. You could have held on for a few more days, but the stock sold off quickly, so your exit would depend on how well your sell order got filled.

Regardless, you should have exited the position during the series of down days that started on December 27. If you hadn’t closed your position then and were still holding on to it, you would have been caught in the downward spiral that started when the S&P 500 BPI fell below 50 on February 27.

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Hollow candlestick charts differ from the traditional filled candlestick charts. To apply hollow candle charts, click the Hollow Candles button under Chart Attributes.

The Bottom Line

Given the erratic nature of the stock market, especially an over-extended one, a smart approach to investing requires following a set of rules. It doesn’t have to be complicated.

Identifying the long-term trend, checking the market’s breadth, and ensuring the trend of a stock you want to buy aligns with the overall market is a simple approach, but applying it successfully in real time takes practice. Practice applying the rules using a simulated account. There’s no better teacher than yourself.

Disclaimer: This blog is for educational purposes only and should not be construed as financial advice. The ideas and strategies should never be used without first assessing your own personal and financial situation, or without consulting a financial professional.

Additional Targets Identified from Gravity Geophysics at Wagyu Project, Pilbara WA

New Age Exploration (ASX: NAE) (NAE or the Company) is pleased to announce the successful completion of additional geophysical surveys at its highly prospective Wagyu Gold Project in the Pilbara, WA. The Passive Seismic (Tromino) and Ground Gravity surveys were conducted across the dry Yule River bed, facilitating a deeper understanding of the geological structures and linking data from both sides of the project area.

HIGHLIGHTS

  • Completion of Passive Seismic and Ground Gravity surveys across the dry Yule River bed at the Wagyu Gold Project in Pilbara, WA
  • Several new gravity anomalies have now been identified, which may indicate the presence of more gold-mineralised intrusions, similar to those intersected in 2024 aircore drilling
  • Enhanced geological connectivity established by linking data from the east and west sides of the tenement
  • Both geophysics surveys were completed with “zero impact” on this culturally sensitive area
  • This is the third ground gravity survey and the second passive seismic survey to take place at the Wagyu Project, with previous surveys outside the river completed in April and May 2024
  • Additional targets 8 and 10 confirmed on east side of the project from gravity survey
  • 3000m of Reverse Circulation Drilling to commence imminently
  • The Wagyu Project is located in the Central Pilbara’s fast-emerging gold region, adjoining De Grey Mining (ASX:DEG) tenure containing its ~11.2Moz1 Hemi Gold deposit

The Wagyu Gold Project, located within a fast-emerging gold mineralised corridor, represents a highly prospective Gold opportunity ~9km within the same mineralised trend as De Grey Mining’s (ASX:DEG) Hemi Gold Deposit containing ~11.2 Moz1 (refer to Figure 1) in the Central Pilbara.

The Hemi Gold Mineral Resource was last updated by De Grey Mining on 14 November 20241. The estimate is for 264Mt @ 1.3g/t Au for 11.2Moz, which can be broken down into 13Mt @ 1.4g/t for 0.6Moz, 149Mt @ 1.3g/t Au Indicated for 6.3 Moz, and 103Mt @ 1.3g/t Au for 4.3 Moz Inferred.

NAE confirms that it is not aware of any new information or data that materially affects the information included in De Grey’s reported Mineral Resources referenced in this market announcement. To NAE’s full knowledge, all material assumptions and technical parameters underpinning the estimates in the relevant market announcements continue to apply and have not materially changed.

NAE Executive Director Joshua Wellisch commented:

‘The completion of these Geophysical Surveys and identification of new targets marks a pivotal step in our exploration efforts and stakeholder relations at Wagyu. With the support of the Kariyarra People, we have gathered data that links structures and anomalies across the tenement, providing a foundation of our geological understanding. We look forward to using these insights to unlock further potential at Wagyu in the lead up to the imminent 3000m RC Drill Programme.”

Geophysical Surveys and Geological Continuity

The Passive Seismic (Tromino) and Ground Gravity surveys at Wagyu have provided valuable data across the Yule River bed, enhancing the geological connectivity between the east and west portions of the tenement. The Passive Seismic survey, conducted at 200-meter intervals across nine lines, offers insights into bedrock continuity, while the Ground Gravity survey (Figure 4), with spacings of 200m x 200m and infill at 50m x 50m over specific targets, reveals density contrasts associated with mineralisation.

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Gold vs. Copper: Which Metal Will Shine Brighter in 2025?

At the 2025 Prospectors and Developers Association Conference, the panel “Copper vs. Gold: Which Metal Will Outperform?” tackled the question of which metal holds greater investment potential.

Moderated by Gracelin Baskaran, director of the Critical Minerals Security program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, the discussion brought together industry experts to weigh the risks and rewards of both commodities.

Last year, gold and copper crossed key price milestones, with gold surging past US$2,700 per ounce and copper exceeding US$5 per pound. While gold is primarily seen as a financial safe haven in times of geopolitical uncertainty, copper is an essential industrial metal, increasingly central to resource nationalism and critical mineral security.

For investors, both metals present opportunities, but understanding their distinct market drivers remains crucial.

Gold and copper’s shared influences

Over the past several years, global uncertainty has been fueling an unprecedented run in the gold price.

Among the factors have been high inflation in the fallout of the COVID-19 pandemic, a three-year war between Russia and Ukraine, conflict between Israel and Gaza that has threatened to spread throughout the Middle East and economic instability sparked by the US under President Donald Trump.

Many of these same issues are impacting the copper market. COVID-19 caused spikes in inflation that have impacted a downturn in real estate development worldwide, while shipping routes have had to be altered to avoid conflict zones. Most recently, US tariffs could upend a variety of industries around the world, including the US housing market.

While these influences largely affect the demand side of commodities, the supply side is also being affected similarly. Most notably, declining grades for both copper and gold are driving up overall mining costs and ultimately eating into corporate balance sheets.

The case for copper

The biggest strength for investors in the copper sector is the supply-and-demand situation.

While copper demand growth has only slightly increased in the past few years, it has been largely held back by weakness in the Chinese real estate sector, which is traditionally one of the largest demand drivers for copper.

Despite this, demand is increasingly coming from rapid urbanization as the global population grows and younger people move to cities from rural areas at higher rates than previous generations. Additionally, demand from the tech sector is also up in several areas, including energy transition, artificial intelligence, and data centers.

Frank Nikolic, vice president of battery and base metals at CRU North America, explained that this demand was critical to copper’s value over the next few years.

“Prior to 1990 we had relatively flat or slow growing intensity of copper use per person on the planet. Then after 1990 when the world opened up with the departure of communism from the global stage, in a big way, we’ve seen the massive exposure from computers, the internet boom, the China miracle, I call it the great urbanization, and then finally the last five years or more decarbonization,” he said.

Nikolic suggested that recent growth in copper markets is owed to growth in China, but over the next five years that will begin to shift as there is increased demand from decarbonization technologies.

He also pointed to increasing wealth in the global south, specifically Indonesia, India and South America that will provide additional demand for copper.

Nikolic also acknowledged that while copper will remain in a supply-and-demand surplus over the next year, it will begin shifting into a deficit position. This will require 6 to 8 million metric tons to be added to the market over the next 10 years, but there will be significant challenges to meeting that demand.

“The filling of the demand gap is going to be a lot more expensive than in the past. We’ve seen a massive explosion of capital costs for copper, both greenfield and brownfield, and the cost to operate these assets is also increasing,” he said.

These rising costs are also being met with declining grades and depleting deposits that will require US$100 million per year just to maintain current demand growth. Nikolic also suggests that scrap substitution isn’t likely to provide much relief, noting that it’s barely keeping up with demand as it is.

David Strang, executive chairman of Ero Copper (TSX:ERO,NYSE:ERO), supported Nikolic’s views, particularly on the expansion of the global south, by providing a history of how technology impacted copper in the mid-20th century.

There was a shift beginning in the late 1940s, when homes in the West stopped having milk delivered and instead went to the grocery stores. The advent of refrigeration reduced the necessity for daily deliveries.

Adding this new technology required copper not only in the refrigerator itself but also in the electrical demands on homes and stores.

Strang pointed to India and Indonesia, which have growing economies and an expanding middle class. However, many are still without what the West would call necessities like cell phones and refrigeration.

He sees a fundamental imbalance in the copper market as this newfound wealth drives demand growth not seen since the middle of the last century.

“So here is the thing: Copper is in crisis. If the world is going to continue to where it needs to be with these economies, we need to find more copper. There are only two things that are going to affect that. One is technology, and the other is the metal price has to go up because we cannot continue to live the way we want to live with regards to the other countries that are growing as quickly as they’re growing,” Strang said.

The case for gold

Moving away from the red metal, panelist Jason Attew, president and CEO of Osisko Gold Royalties (TSX:OR,NYSE:OR), argued for investing in gold.

Marking a stark difference between the fundamentals of copper and gold, Attew pointed out that copper was largely influenced by supply and demand. He questioned if copper would be in as strong a position if the US were to go bankrupt, which he sees as a distinct possibility.

He noted that the US has US$36.5 trillion in federal debt versus US$29.1 trillion in gross domestic product (GDP), a debt-to-GDP ratio of 125 percent.

“This is the highest level since the end of World War Two … This translates to over US$650,000 per US family. It’s just remarkable. This ratio has climbed steadily since the pandemic began in 2020 when the federal government debt was approximately US$20 trillion and GDP was US$21 trillion,” he said.

Attew suggests that the pandemic and the subsequent stimulus raised inflation, requiring the US Federal Reserve to raise interest rates.

The broad picture he painted is one of the US economy on the edge of a cliff with few solutions. One possible remedy presented by Attew is to increase the money supply, but that would come with the caveat of devaluing the dollar strength, which is where his backing of gold comes in.

“Everyone knows that US dollar strength has an inverse correlation with the price of gold in real terms, all of which is very constructive for gold. So even if it’s not as doom and gloom as I said… we’re headed to a recession in the US, and it’s very challenging or difficult to see how a soft landing is going to happen here,” Attew said.

Lawson Winder, senior metals and mining research analyst with Bank of America (NYSE:BOC) Securities, agreed with Attew but added that gold was also more attractive beyond what was happening in the United States and that it provides a tangible asset in times of uncertainty.

This has led to enormous purchases by central banks, which Winder suggests is at its highest point in history. It has also led to retail purchases by Chinese and Indian consumers seeing the highest increases he’s ever seen. However, these increases in gold buying have yet to materialize with Western investors, but Winder thinks that will change.

“As the confusion with Trump and tariffs takes hold, we think Western investors will increasingly want to own more physical gold and will likely express it through these means, and will ultimately contribute to a higher gold price,” he said.

What does it mean for investors?

Both copper and gold hold their advantages and risks, and the panelists made effective cases for each metal.

The world is living through economic and geopolitical uncertainty, causing investors to turn to gold to maintain balance in their portfolios and reduce risk. Gold is unlikely to change its status as a haven asset in the near future.

The presenters also made a case for copper based on its fundamentals. Copper is a necessary commodity that powers a world that needs more electricity. Demand is up, and supply is becoming more expensive and harder to find.

Conversely, gold offers investors more options, from physical and paper ownership to equities and ETFs, while copper is largely limited to just equities and a small number of ETFs.

Ultimately, the case for both metals is strong, and given the global situation, both could provide investors with excellent opportunities in 2025.

Securities Disclosure: I, Dean Belder, hold no direct investment interest in any company mentioned in this article.

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Goldman Sachs Kostin Warns of a Potential S&P 500 Correction

Goldman Sachs Kostin analyst has issued a warning that the S&P 500 may be headed for a significant correction. His comments, based on current market data and public economic trends, suggest that heightened market risks could force investors to reconsider their positions.

Rising Market Risks and Overvaluation

According to Goldman Sachs Kostin, current market conditions point to growing volatility. He notes that the S&P 500 appears overvalued when measured against fundamental economic indicators. In addition, factors such as rising interest rates and economic uncertainty have increased the overall market risk. These factors, when combined, can create an environment where a correction is likely.

Investor Caution Amid Volatile Trends

Investors are being urged to remain cautious. Kostin emphasizes that the prevailing market optimism may be unsustainable if key economic data turns negative. Many market experts agree that investor caution is necessary during such periods of volatility. In turn, a pullback in the S&P 500 could offer a correction that might reset market valuations to more sustainable levels.

Implications for the Broader Market

A potential S&P 500 correction could have far-reaching implications for other asset classes. With heightened market volatility, investors might shift their focus to safer assets. Moreover, such a correction may serve as a wake-up call for the broader market, prompting both retail and institutional investors to review their portfolios and risk management strategies.

Conclusion

In summary, public data and current market trends support Kostin’s warning about the S&P 500. Rising market risks, overvaluation, and economic uncertainties are key factors that may trigger a correction. Investors should stay informed and practice caution as they navigate these turbulent market conditions. Ultimately, this forecast calls for a balanced approach to risk and a strategic review of investment positions.

This analysis is based on widely reported public market data and reflects a growing consensus among financial experts. As the market evolves, monitoring these trends closely will be essential for making well-informed decisions.

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Trump Organization sues Capital One bank over account closures after Jan. 6 Capitol riot

The Trump Organization sued Capital One in Florida on Friday for allegedly “unjustifiably” closing more than 300 of the company’s bank accounts on the heels of the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol by a mob of President Donald Trump’s supporters.

The lawsuit said that the Trump Organization and related entities “have reason to believe that Capital One’s unilateral decision came about as a result of political and social motivations and Capital One’s unsubstantiated, ‘woke’ beliefs that it needed to distance itself from President Trump and his conservative political views.”

“In essence, Capital One ‘de-banked’ Plaintiffs’ Accounts because Capital One believed that the political tide at the moment favored doing so,” the Trump Organization claims in the civil case filed in the Eleventh Judicial Circuit Court in Miami-Dade County.

The suit seeks a declaratory judgment that the bank improperly terminated the Trump companies’ accounts in June 2021, as well as punitive and other monetary damages for what the suit alleged was “the devastating impact” of the terminations on the companies’ ability to transact and access their funds.

The closures came more than four months after the riot at the U.S. Capitol, which began after Trump for weeks falsely claimed that he had won the 2020 presidential election over former President Joe Biden.

The suit’s named plaintiffs are the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, DJT Holdings, DJT Holdings Managing Member, DTTM Operations, and Eric Trump, the president’s son, who with his brother, Donald Trump Jr., runs the Trump Organization.

The complaint says the plaintiffs and affiliated entities held hundreds of accounts at Capital One for decades before they were closed. Eric Trump said the amount of damages suffered by the companies is “millions of dollars.”

Alejandro Brito, a lawyer who is representing the Trump Organization in the suit, told CNBC the company “is contemplating other suits against financial organizations that engaged in similar conduct.”

Brito said Capital One’s actions “was an attack on free speech.”

A spokesperson for the bank wrote in an email to CNBC, “Capital One has not and does not close customer accounts for political reasons.”

Eric Trump said in a statement, “The decision by Capital One to ‘debank’ our company, after well over a decade, was a clear attack on free speech and free enterprise that flies in the face of the bedrock principles and freedoms that define our country.”

“Moreover, the arbitrary closure of these accounts, without justifiable cause, reflects a broader effort to silence and undermine the success of the Trump Organization and those who dare to express their political views,” said Eric Trump.

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Here’s why banks don’t want the CFPB to disappear

For years, American financial companies have fought the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau — the chief U.S. consumer finance watchdog — in the courts and media, portraying the agency as illegitimate and as unfairly targeting industry players.

Now, with the CFPB on life support after the Trump administration issued a stop-work order and shuttered its headquarters, the agency finds itself with an unlikely ally: the same banks that reliably complained about its rules and enforcement actions under former Director Rohit Chopra.

That’s because if the Trump administration succeeds in reducing the CFPB to a shell of its former self, banks would find themselves competing directly with nonbank financial players, from big tech and fintech firms to mortgage, auto and payday lenders, that enjoy far less federal scrutiny than Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.-backed institutions.

“The CFPB is the only federal agency that supervises non-depository institutions, so that would go away,” said David Silberman, a veteran banking attorney who lectures at Yale Law School. “Payment apps like PayPal, Stripe, Cash App, those sorts of things, they would get close to a free ride at the federal level.”

The shift could wind the clock back to a pre-2008 environment, where it was largely left to state officials to prevent consumers from being ripped off by nonbank providers. The CFPB was created in the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis that was caused by irresponsible lending.

But since then, digital players have made significant inroads by offering banking services via mobile phone apps. Fintechs led by PayPal and Chime had roughly as many new accounts last year as all large and regional banks combined, according to data from Cornerstone Advisors.

“If you’re the big banks, you certainly don’t want a world in which the non-banks have much greater degrees of freedom and much less regulatory oversight than the banks do,” Silberman said.

The CFPB and its employees are in limbo after acting Director Russell Vought took over last month, issuing a flurry of directives to the agency’s then 1,700 staffers. Working with operatives from Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency, Vought quickly laid off about 200 workers, reportedly took steps to end the agency’s building lease and canceled reams of contracts required for legally mandated duties.

In internal emails released Friday, CFPB Chief Operating Officer Adam Martinez detailed plans to remove roughly 800 supervision and enforcement workers.

Senior executives at the CFPB shared plans for more layoffs that would leave the agency with just five employees, CNBC has reported. That would kneecap the agency’s ability to carry out its supervision and enforcement duties.

That appears to go beyond what even the Consumer Bankers Association, a frequent CFPB critic, would want. The CBA, which represents the country’s biggest retail banks, has sued the CFPB in the past year to scuttle rules limiting overdraft and credit card late fees. More recently, it noted the CFPB’s role in keeping a level playing field among market participants.

“We believe that new leadership understands the need for examinations for large banks to continue, given the intersections with prudential regulatory examinations,” said Lindsey Johnson, president of the CBA, in a statement provided to CNBC. “Importantly, the CFPB is the sole examiner of non-bank financial institutions.”

Vought’s plans to hobble the agency were halted by a federal judge, who is now considering the merits of a lawsuit brought by a CFPB union asking for a preliminary injunction.

A hearing where Martinez is scheduled to testify is set for Monday.

In the meantime, bank executives have gone from antagonists of the CFPB to among those concerned it will disappear.

At a late October bankers convention in New York, JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon encouraged his peers to “fight back” against regulators. A few months before that, the bank said that it could sue the CFPB over its investigation into peer-to-peer payments network Zelle.

“We are suing our regulators over and over and over because things are becoming unfair and unjust, and they are hurting companies, a lot of these rules are hurting lower-paid individuals,” Dimon said at the convention.

Now, there’s growing consensus that an initial push to “delete” the CFPB is a mistake. Besides increasing the threat posed from nonbanks, current rules from the CFPB would still be on the books, but nobody would be around to update them as the industry evolves.

Small banks and credit unions would be even more disadvantaged than their larger peers if the CFPB were to go away, industry advocates say, since they were never regulated by the agency and would face the same regulatory scrutiny as before.

“The conventional wisdom is not right that banks just want the CFPB to go away, or that banks want regulator consolidation,” said an executive at a major U.S. bank who declined to be identified speaking about the Trump administration. “They want thoughtful policies that will support economic growth and maintain safety and soundness.”

A senior CFPB lawyer who lost his position in recent weeks said that the industry’s alignment with Republicans may have backfired.

“They’re about to live in a world in which the entire non-bank financial services industry is unregulated every day, while they are overseen by the Federal Reserve, FDIC and OCC,” the lawyer said. “It’s a world where Apple, PayPal, Cash App and X run wild for four years. Good luck.”

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